Buster Friently
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Posted - 2015.04.29 16:16:00 -
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DaReaperPW wrote:They are focused on valk, and gettign that out. They are repairing dust and its making money. This made them put the breaks on legion. All hands on deck gettign valk done and out, we will see fi they relook at legion after. But i am fine with silence if there is nothing going on. Id rather then be quite then them talking about crap that falls flat.
Remember they hyped Dust like mad, it was going to have this awesome link, dust bunnies were going to effect eve... then what we got.. failed to live up to that. Id rather they go 'meh no idea' then get dust to its logical limits and go 'ok here is what we can actually do with legion'
But honestly it doens;t matter. most people playing dust don;t care about legion. They are enjoying dust, so.. it matters not anyway
I think this is pretty spot on with the exception of Dust making money for CCP.
If it is, it's only because CCP is spending absolutely no money on Dust.
http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust
Both the Dust numbers and Eve numbers look pretty bad for CCP, so I'm sure that they're banking heavily on Valkyrie.
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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2015.05.05 23:21:00 -
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Cypher Nil wrote:DaReaperPW wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:Honestly at this point they should just come out and say Legion isn't going to happen.
Just because they have a habit of spelling out future visions without any concrete plan of action moving forwards to that specific goal.... it doesn't mean that they can't or shouldn't tell us where we currently stand. It should also not stop them from sharing thoughts on any given subject in a straightforward manner.
CCP seem to go from one extreme to another lol. Except legion will happen, based on the simple fact that the ps3 is dying. Eventually ccp will have to make legion, either on pc as a new game, or port dust to ps4. So legion is not dead, just back burner for now. And its has not even been a year yet since they made the announcement, it takes a while to actually make a game. Esp if said game is on skeleton crew. I dont think your thinking this the whole way threw. Legion on PC is not == to dust 514 on PS4. the PC game would have far more features, updates, support, scope and gameplay then another console game simply because it give CCP more control of there game and links it to EVE in a far easier and intrinsic network design. if CCP port dust to PS4 then legion (which is a PC based and supported game) will be dead in the water. their not going to make 2 separate games incorporate the same gameplay and design.
Which is why legion will come out on PC assuming that CCP survives the next year and a half.
In the meantime, because of the dwindling Eve subscriptions, and falling number of Dust players, CCP is focusing heavily on Valkyrie to try and capture some revenue. |
Buster Friently
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Posted - 2015.05.06 17:36:00 -
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lateriss wrote:No offense dudes. Eve is not sinking. And Dust 514 is actually making a profit. Brendan (who is awesome) at MassivelyOP is not always correct in his assumptions in terms of subscriptions. They also make a crap ton of cash from Plex. Eve is actually looking really shiny with UI improvements. My corp has been growing since the last expansion with new players. Eve will never be 1 million plus and frankly I am glad. The sky is not falling for CCP games. The damn sky is falling form lack of communication per upper management. No offense.
Eve is shrinking:
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
Also, so is Dust:
http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust
No offense, but those are concurrent logins, i.e facts. Now, it's true that quite a few people continue to pay for accounts, for a while at least, while not logging in, but with a shrinking login base comes shrinking revenue - even if it isn't biting right now.
Also, as I said earlier, if Dust is profitable, it's simply because no (well, very few) people are working on it, thus the cost is as minimal as can be.
No one is saying that the sky is falling, but the fat lady is prepping her voice :)
We'll see what CCP can do as far as a turn-around. |
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Posted - 2015.05.06 23:33:00 -
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DaReaperPW wrote:Buster Friently wrote:lateriss wrote:No offense dudes. Eve is not sinking. And Dust 514 is actually making a profit. Brendan (who is awesome) at MassivelyOP is not always correct in his assumptions in terms of subscriptions. They also make a crap ton of cash from Plex. Eve is actually looking really shiny with UI improvements. My corp has been growing since the last expansion with new players. Eve will never be 1 million plus and frankly I am glad. The sky is not falling for CCP games. The damn sky is falling form lack of communication per upper management. No offense. Eve is shrinking: http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquilityAlso, so is Dust: http://eve-offline.net/?server=dustNo offense, but those are concurrent logins, i.e facts. Now, it's true that quite a few people continue to pay for accounts, for a while at least, while not logging in, but with a shrinking login base comes shrinking revenue - even if it isn't biting right now. Also, as I said earlier, if Dust is profitable, it's simply because no (well, very few) people are working on it, thus the cost is as minimal as can be. No one is saying that the sky is falling, but the fat lady is prepping her voice :) We'll see what CCP can do as far as a turn-around. Except that has nothing to do with subscriptions of the ammount of money ccp is making. It doesn;t really prove very much tbh. Even if dust is shirnking its F2P as long as players who are playing are tossing money at it, it can reduce down to 100 people and STILL be profitable. The averarge play counts during a day also do not prove eve is shrinking. With thinks like unlimited skill queue, multi char training, people don;t have to log in as much or as offten. so that number can drop but subs can increase. Thats the thing. There is no concrete evidence besies what ccp wants to tell us to prove eve is 'shrinking' you cna however say that it appears that less people ar elogging in during the day, but thats really all the infomraiton you have there can show you. for all you know there can be thousends of accounts paying subs waiting for changes to become unmoth balled. there could be less subs, but the numbers you isted don;t show this. So yea. It might show what you claim, but there is not eneough evidence to support your claim. if you want better evidence, chekc the 6 first 6 months from last year finances. ccp was down around 2ook in revenue. whihc if its just subscriptions means ccp was down around 2k subs.but also during that 6 months was the rouge wedding, so how much was pulled out from players asking sony for refunds on aurum. Again, no real evidence to support how well eve or dust are doing. Based on the fact that ccp was down but still profitable, everything is fine. Because the 90m loss in 2013, was not really a loss.
I understand that this isn't definitive evidence, but to suggest that it's meaningless is, well, just meaningless.
When you have less people logging in, you're going to be having less income. Now, true, perhaps it isn't 1:1, but you can't have players logging in less and less since 2013 without that hitting the bottom line eventually. We've been here for a while now, and no one at CCP would be looking at these numbers and thinking everything is fine even if the bottom line isn't affected yet.
The bottom line, almost definitely, is being affected though.
AS for F2P etc, there's a critical mass here that is an issue. As fewer people log in, those who remain also become less engaged. Dust has been this way for a while as well.
What I have pointed out here, though, is in fact evidence. It is circumstantial, but evidence nevertheless. I know everyone wants to think that Eve, Dust and CCP will be around forever, but unless they seriously speed up their development and start putting out something competitive, this won't be the case in two years. The market isn't the same as back in 2010, and it isn't even the same as back in 2013 when they started to lose players.
So, I tell you what, you continue to think everything is fine, and I'll continue to let people know that CCP is banking on Valkyrie to pull them out of their rut, and consequently we aren't hearing about Legion (or Dust much), and we'll both go on our way and see what happens. |